ramblings on internet dating/long-distance relationships
November 19, 2007 by moriahjoy
I’ve been dreading writing this piece; “this piece” being one on the topic of online relationships/internet dating. Why? Because I have no idea where I stand; I have an inkling but haven’t wanted to definitively figure it out and thus I’ve balked from writing anything, even a simple post, let alone piece. But since one of you asked for my thoughts…here goes. (And perhaps that is why I ventured to first write a post on it…writing inevitably helps one sort out one’s beliefs, does it not?)
Anyway, I cast a question to the general public a couple of months ago, in a few different spheres; apparently WordPress readers have no desire to weigh on in the topic as literally no one commented; other venues, I sparked more response.
Regardless, I initiated my question because that day, it had again been suggested to me that I join an internet dating service; there I am, nonchalantly living my life, and bam! Everywhere I turned, I was being told about how wonderful these online matchmaker services are, usually followed up with “You should try it” or “Have you thought about it?”
I bristle upon such suggestions. Why? Because there seems to be, embedded in their suggestions, whether they realize it or not, the implication that somehow something is wrong with my life, with my singleness, and if I just met a man, life would somehow be better (of course, there are times I think this, too ;). The implicit implication is the clock is ticking and all the good men in my neighborhood are already taken…but I protest: I’m twenty-five, not eighty. And I’m not waiting around for some man to sweep me off my feet. I have a life to live, things to do.
Oh, I’m not denying a partner would be absolutely fabulous – a good partner, and I eagerly look forward to the day I say “I do” should I walk down that aisle. But it irks me that in the meantime, others think I’m in need of a significant other.
It’s not that I’m not open, but to take matters into my own hands, to spend time and money scouting out potential partners, well…to me…it’s not for me. I’m too busy with life…if I stumble upon someone, or vice versa, in the midst of all that I’m doing, great. And if not, then so be it.
However, I know many others who love it and swear by it. Some are now married to the partners they found online, some are dating those partners, others still haven’t found anyone to pursue past the “getting to know you” online or telephone stage…but all seem to think it’s a great tool.
In theory, I’m not against it, but I’m just not interested in joining a service.
That being said, the internet is extremely helpful for long distance relationships, whether romantic or other, as my friend Annika and I can attest to since she moved to another state this spring. And I think long distance relationships can be a great asset initially because they really force you to develop a friendship, which, I would argue, is one of the main foundations of a healthy relationship/marriage.
But with that comes a lot of questions; can we truly know another if the relationship starts out long distance (as opposed to moving into a long distance phase due to life circumstances)?
How well can one really know another if the communication/relationship is forced to be resigned to online communication, telephone calls, and the occasional visit when time and finances permit? Does one really know another if one is not living in close proximity to them, to see them on their worst and best day? To see how they interact with the waiters and waitresses who serve them, to see how they interact with their friends, family, people they dislike, etc? To see how they handle stress, how they handle anger, how they handle this and that. Can two people really, truly know each other if the relationship is long distance?
And if the answer is no, then, how does one navigate the long distance relationship waters?
When does one decide to pick up their life to move near another? For me, there’s no question that we won’t live together before marriage, so how do two people determine when it’s time for one person to pick up their bags and move to another state, leaving behind “their life” to explore what one might look like with another?
The advent of the internet has opened up a whole new complicated set of questions to add to the relationship dance. It allows for a much broader range of people to choose from, since, literally, the world is at your door, but it also, as a result, makes the decision-making process a lot more complicated if one chooses to walk through that door.
And perhaps my hesitation to internet dating services aren’t necessarily to the idea itself – as it’s been pointed out numerous times to me, if anyone can do it, it’s me as I seem to have been built for relationships, especially written communication, but rather because I really question whether or not one can truly know another person online or through the phone. We all wear masks; we can choose what to reveal and what to hide; when we’re having a bad day, a bad moment, we don’t have to broadcast that to another – the internet and telephone allow a convenient filter – we may not consciously realize we’re doing it, but when we’re involved in a relationship that is confined to the internet and telephone due to distance, can we really say we know another?
With Annika, our friendship grew in close proximity, so I had the benefit of having developed a close friendship in person before she moved away, but the reality is, while I do know her facial expressions, body language, etc. when we talk on the phone or online, something huge is still missing in the communication process that we both get when we’re sitting across from each other in a coffee shop. We all speak more loudly through our body language…so do those who have done internet dating feel as if they truly know another person simply through online or telephone communication? And when they do meet, and even if they do visit for extended times, do you really feel as if you are getting to see/know the entire person or do you question whether or not that person is on their best behavior because they are crazy about you?
So, internet dating, long-distance relationships – are they feasible? Do they work?
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As a postscript, I believe it’s become such a phenomenon because those who do not wish to frequent the bar scene are really at a loss regarding how to meet people; I cannot tell you how many times the girls at work or single girlfriends wonder how on earth they can meet people. My life is so busy that I’m constantly meeting people as I’m just working/living it, so my advice is always, when asked, “Do the things you love, and if, by chance, you meet someone who is also interested in the things you love, you have a great place to start a friendship.” But it’s a valid question, especially for those who don’t like to go out on their own…I think internet dating allows you access to a much bigger “pool” of people to choose from, and because you’re both there for the express purpose of exploring a relationship, there’s very little guesswork involved. The masks, theoretically, are stripped away, you weed out candidates through a series of questions, and then emails…but there’s something that just seems cold about that process…maybe it’s my femininity kicking into gear, but to have a smorgasbord of men at my table to choose from and then to systematically “weed” out those who don’t match my qualifications/criteria seems to me to be a little too scientific about the whole process and leaves little room for God to work and to bring two people together.
That being said, I’ve known people I respect who have used it, found wonderful partners, and are extremely happy, so maybe my hesitation is completely unjustified.
I just know that I’m a complicated creature and do not want to rely totally upon what preconceived notions I might have to determine who would be a good life partner for me – God knows me better than I know myself because he’s created me, and I trust him with all areas of my life – why would I not trust him in this area, too?
And perhaps that’s why I’m hesitant about the internet dating service world – it seems upon entering it, one is taking the reigns into one’s own hand, saying “I’m not comfortable being single and thus I’m going to do something about it” and, frankly, I’m not comfortable with that.
Dear Moriah
Your comments are an official ramble, because it appears that you already have your answer, but it just hasn’t bubbled to the surface yet. And it’s your own private answer.
I glance to the right on your blog & am reminded that you describe yourself as a 25 year-old follower of Jesus Christ living one day at a time. And on the day that you choose to respond on this internet-dating topic you also post that quote from C. S. Lewis. Your answer is that you have chosen to trust and obey Jesus in this and all matters.
Those who decide to try online dating services make 3 assumptions: that the goal of life is their personal fulfillment, that a partner is an essential part of that, and that psychological questionnaires (material science) will discover the right pool of candidates from which to choose a partner.
All 3 of these assumptions are in opposition to your Lewis quote. Signing into an online dating service is an attempt to take personal control of your life. Taking a partner is making a life-long and life-altering commitment – your reflections on whether one or the other will have to move to his/her partner’s city is just an example of this. Having children, decisions about occupations, religious affiliations – you’ve spoken about these sorts of things before. Were you to sign up with one of these services, you would be asserting that this is the direction you will go, rather than trusting God to determine whether, when, and with whom you should partner.
I could write an essay on each of the 3 assumptions that dating service subscribers make, but your post, along with the Lewis quote, already divulge how you would answer each. You are a follower of Jesus Christ. And you are living one day at a time.
You know that my situation is not so different from yours, except that you are young and I middle-aged. I know how the heart can ache for wanting someone to love. But I also know the experiences I’ve had that would have surely been prohibited if I were committed to a partner. Whatever your future will bring, it will not be without pain, but neither will it be without joy if you are true to your heart.
my love
barelysage
Moriah,
I think that barelysage is right in mentioning that he thinks you already know the answer to your question. I don’t know that I have any judgements either way on the topic, but i wish to speak from my own experience for a minute.
As a woman who has married a man she dated long distance for 3 years, never lived with until we were married, but has known since she was about 13, I know all the questions that are running through your head. Let me say that what helped my husband and I through the distance was the knowledge we had of one another from years past. But in the same way, what helped our relationship emensely was the distance we decided to endure towards the end. The distance taught us how to communicate verbally; how to be honest in our love, in our fears, in our anger, etc. And it is true, that the short intervals we had with one another (a weekend here, a holiday there) were never quite REAL. they were dreams spent in the clouds sending us crashing down to earth on Sunday evening.
There is something to be said for the years we spent together and the years we spent apart. Even the decision to move to the same city in the last 3 months of our engagement was helpful. But nothing could have made me absolutely sure that this was a man i could live with forever. We took a risk and made a committment. I didn’t know my husband’s quirks or his mood swings, but i did know his beliefs, his values, and his ideas of God and the world. Anything past this is just luck of the draw, perhaps. I have committed to loving him now. After over a year of marriage I am still learning him even though i have known him for 10 years. He has changed since thirteen and will continue to change into his old age. Nothing is as it was and nothing will continue as it is now, but the God who holds us together, HE will never change, and our love for one another depends on our faithfulness to the God who is graciously knitting us together.
Hope this helps?
-Jane
Dear barelysage,
I do have a definitive answer for me, personally, but not in general, and perhaps that is how it should be.
Your observations are astute, though I also am a bit of an open book, admittedly, but I loved how you tied the Lewis quote to these ramblings. If personal fulfillment is not the end-goal, then marriage and a life partner are just stops along the journey and desires to be held loosely in the upturned palm of my hand, ready for God to grant or not as he so desires.
A friend made the point last night that we’re to be faithful to do our part – i.e. when looking for a job, we trust God for provision but we don’t sit on the couch – we go out and interview. I respect that opinion and I wrestle with it, but I still have this sense that one’s heart/intention – the things we cannot see or know about another person – are what matters. Is my heart set on finding a mate? Or is my heart set on following Jesus and loving God? I can’t answer that for anyone else, nor would I desire to; I can only answer that for myself, and thus, my answer to that question really determines how I practically live my life.
I was reading the other night a book that laid out the definition of a worldview as not being what we ascribe to intellectually, though that’s the realm that it’s often discussed and opined about, but rather, it’s known by how we live. We can know another’s worldview, and our own, not by listening to the words we use to describe it but rather by observing how we behave/react, especially in stressful times. For me, this is a good framework to describe my evolving worldview when it comes to relationships – ten years ago, I was focused on having a significant other, of having a family, of this and of that…lovely, beautiful, good dreams and desires…and my worldview was reflected in how I thought and how I acted. Becoming the kind of woman who would make a good wife and mother was the focus of my life because I saw in my parents’ example such a lovely picture of what a great marriage partnership could be and experienced the best of “family”, but then…along the way, Jesus captured my heart…and while the desire for a partner didn’t lessen, my desire for Him grew and eclipsed that desire to the point where marriage wasn’t the end goal – loving, serving, and following Him became the end-goal, and marriage is just a part of that journey as a potential, not a necessity. My worldview in essence changed.
Thank you, barelysage.
Jane,
Your comment was so lovely, tender, and sweet. Thank you. Your husband is a blessed man to have such a wife. Thanks for sharing from your experiences!
But nothing could have made me absolutely sure that this was a man i could live with forever. We took a risk and made a commitment. I didn’t know my husband’s quirks or his mood swings, but i did know his beliefs, his values, and his ideas of God and the world. Anything past this is just luck of the draw, perhaps. I have committed to loving him now. After over a year of marriage I am still learning him even though i have known him for 10 years. He has changed since thirteen and will continue to change into his old age. Nothing is as it was and nothing will continue as it is now, but the God who holds us together, HE will never change, and our love for one another depends on our faithfulness to the God who is graciously knitting us together.
Beautiful. As I think about my future, what you described above is very much the beat of my heart. I change so much, but as long as my love for God is consistent and strong and I keep him first, it doesn’t really much matter…likewise, when two people partner – they can either choose to grow together and adapt to the changes each one will go through in life or they can choose to become bitter that the wife of fifteen years is not the same wife of 1 year. I’ve seen the latter happen, and I’ve also been privileged to see the former happen, and so it’s with a smile that I read your depiction. You’ve made a commitment, a choice, to love your husband, to lean into him, to fall towards him, not away from him, when you’re in a disagreement or when the stresses of life take their toll. And it’s because your relationship is founded on your individual relationships with God, and thus is knitted in a desire to have Him at the center of your marriage that you can consistently and faithfully choose to love him, and vice versa.
I think the following is one of the most beautiful statements I have heard from someone who is married:
. Nothing is as it was and nothing will continue as it is now, but the God who holds us together, HE will never change, and our love for one another depends on our faithfulness to the God who is graciously knitting us together.
I remember at your wedding the pastor saying to you both, “There are going to be times you fall out of love. So what? I don’t want to hear about it. You have chosen to love each other and commit yourselves to each other, for life. You choose to love and it’s an active choice, not based upon emotions, which come and go.” His candor and his message was one of the most refreshing wedding messages I’ve heard in ages and a wonderful reminder about what love is and what it is not.
Thanks for sharing, Jane.
I echo your exact sentiments Moriah!
“There are three things that are too amazing for me,
four that I do not understand:
the way of an eagle in the sky,
the way of a snake on a rock,
the way of a ship on the high seas,
and the way of a man with a maiden.”
-Proverbs 30:18-19
Those verses underscore the fact that love can not be calculated, it is something that must flow naturally! Thus although relationships can be initiated through dating services, falling in love thereafter is an entirely different thing!
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I always have this interesting argument with my boys on how best to get a wife and more importantly be in love with that wife! The bible suggests various ways;
*Sleep and one will be created for you- Adam.
*Marry your sister- Abraham (certain cultures still marry amongst relatives)
*Hold a beauty contest- King Xerxes , Esthers husband
* Raid a neighbouring clan- The Benjamites
*Slay a giant- David (was rewarded with Saul’s daughter)
*Inherite a wife-Onan
*Have your parents choose for you- Isaac
*Work for 14 years on the job- Jacob for his two wives
*Too many other ways to list here;
* And my favourite one; FALL IN LOVE - The Songs of Songs.
It is interesting that of all the methods listed in the bible, it’s falling in love and building a relationship on Godly principals that gets a whole book on its own.
My non-exhuastive list above demonstrates as well that God, as always, is not limited to any one way of getting his children spouses.(Although from end to end the bible does emphasise the point that what is most important is that spouses love or learn to love each other and that they honor God!)
The experience of Esther is very much akin to our present day use of a dating service ( the king had a rich buffet of women to choose from using a screening process!) The one qualification/distinction is that Esther was a godly woman who submitted herself to the Lord. There was an element of faith on her part in being involved in this process. As you point out Moriah, there are Christians who have successful marriages from using online dating services, presumably they may have acted in faith. Having said that, I again concur with you that personally it would not be something I would be comfortable with or do!
On the issue of getting to know someone for ‘real’ on line I find Jane’s comment below very helpful;
“…I didn’t know my husband’s quirks or his mood swings, but i did know his beliefs, his values, and his ideas of God and the world. Anything past this is just luck of the draw, perhaps…”
I believe God is able to grant us a level of discernment by which we can make that major decision on whether to completely trust ourselves to that significant other or not.
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On meeting new people;
“Do the things you love, and if, by chance, you meet someone who is also interested in the things you love, you have a great place to start a friendship.”
That’s just great advice Moriah and should be the way we should live as singles. I believe as Miles Munroe argues that a good way to a fulfilled life as a married is to live a fulfilled life as a single!
To conclude, while I wouldn’t use a dating service, if I did meet someone with similar interests, beliefs and values on the net, perhaps I would be willing to explore the possibility of a relationship. The starting point however would be a friendship not the express desire to “shop” for a relationship!
WOW. Your post certainly got some *long* comments. I will keep mine short. Although I did not try online dating, sometims I wish it existed when I was on my early twenties. I just was too darn shy to approach girls. the ’safety’ of an initial on-line approach would have made things far easier for me.
As for my current partner? I was living in Colombia and she came on a holiday with her family (to visit family - her Dad was from Colombia too). After two years of having a long distance relationship (these were the days of pen & paper, with a trial of email with ‘Compuserve’, the precursor to modern-day ISPs), my now-wife and I decided to ‘give this relationship a real chance’. As a result, I moved across the world to spend some time with her on a daily basis (and in the process, I got an MBA, which is what afforded me a 2-year student visa into Australia). The rest, as they say, is history.
Long-distance relationships can work. Online dating services, although not having tried them, can help people with the first stages of courtship; I would recommend seeking people on the same city as you live, however. In the end, it is a personal choice. Will you one day decide maybe it works for you too? Maybe…. Maybe not.
Thanks, David. The verses you shared are favorites of mine – such amazing beauty and truth captured in verse!
I had to laugh a bit at your comment…I’ve seen similar lists to the Biblical ways to obtain a wife… ;) Thanks for sharing – I’ll have to try some of them out in the near future. *wink* (That being said, I assume/hope you’re not encouraging your boys in these various “interesting arguments” to raid the neighboring clan, hold a beauty contest, or marry their sister.)
Although from end to end the bible does emphasise the point that what is most important is that spouses love or learn to love each other and that they honor God!)
I have this running debate with a close friend about love…what is it, what does it look like, and how much does “falling in love” play into choosing a life partner? Does falling in love come first or does choosing someone and then choosing to love them initiate the falling in love? I think of the musical “Fiddler on the Roof” in which the married couple sing a song to each other, basically asking (after twenty-five years of marriage) “Do you love me?” They were married through an arranged marriage and through living life together, grew to love each other…and throughout much of history, parents did arrange marriages, etc… and people grew to love each other…so how does “falling in love” play into choosing a mate, especially when throughout life there will be times you fall “out of love” but must choose to either continue acting in love or to pull away (and I’d argue too often too many do the latter because they believe that they must always feel the Hollywood “romance” and when they don’t they think something is wrong with the relationship…). I’m rambling…but if people for so many years have fallen in love after getting married…I wonder how much emphasis should be put upon the emotional component *initially* when pursuing a life partner…(and this is NOT to say I don’t think one should fall in love - I’m a hopeless romantic…I’m just wondering if we need to rethink our constructs/understanding of “love.”)
I believe as Miles Munroe argues that a good way to a fulfilled life as a married is to live a fulfilled life as a single!
Fabulous quote. =) I think that sums up the underlying philosophy of my post rather nicely – and you did it in, oh, a few less words. ;)
Thanks dvprivate, for sharing your experience. =)
Long-distance relationships have their difficulties but I think they can be a great asset, because as I’ve mentioned before, it really allows a friendship to be developed without some of the complications relationships in close proximity can raise in the initial stages…when judgment can get a little cloudy. ;p
Moriah,
interesting perspective on the issue of arranged marriages. I have a bit of a different perspective on the process of getting to love someone.
In olden times, the process went along these lines: First, there is an arrangement by your family. Then there is the opportunity to meet the person. Some courthsip (very structured; very supervised) then happens where the 2 people get to know each other. Then the man confirms his commitment and proceeds to wedding (with or without real consent from the wife). By this stage, one of both partners may have ‘fallen in love’ and be in the emotional period we often called the ‘honeymoon’ (all loos rosy with your partner). Then life comes around, and the 2 people see the good and the bad. They may fall ‘out’ of love, but over time, a deep love (hopefully) develops. If you’re the man and unlucky enough to fall out of love with your partner permanently, and you’re “lucky” enough to be a king, you may behead the wife and start again.
Then in modern times, things happen slightly different. First there is attraction - you meet someone that holds your attention, either because of common interests, or because of looks. Then comes courtship (initiated & maintained by either of the 2 people involved), and through this process, both must fall in love. If not, the process ends here. Then come wedding preparations; by this stage, the couple is already in the emotional period we call the ‘honeymoon’. Then comes the wedding; and the actual honeymoon. Then life comes around, and the 2 people see the good and the bad. They may fall ‘out’ of love, and if they are strong and/or determined and/or desperate enough, they may stick through it. Over time, a deep love (hopefully) develops. If you’re unlucky enough to fall out of love with your partner permanently, and you don’t have religious tennets that prevent you from dissolving the union, you hire a lawyer and start all over again.
The morale of the story? The few differences between old times and new times are
a) Choices are more equally available to men and women (God bless Women’s lib)
b) You don’t have to resort to beheading your partner if you’re unlucky enough to fall out of love permanently, and
c) The ‘falling in love’ acts as a precursor to any serious commitments (like getting engaged & planning a wedding)
Besides these 3 aspects, and some of the minutiae of the order in which the events happen, things aren’t all that different, really.
:-)
dvprivate,
I loved reading your comment. And I should probably give a disclaimer that whatever “perspective” I threw out there, I’m not sure I can or would claim it as “mine.” =)
Can one fall out of love permanently or does it take one moment, built upon another, until one’s heart becomes hard toward another?
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Hi Moriah,
I started writing a comment to answer your question an one fall out of love permanently or does it take one moment, built upon another, until one’s heart becomes hard toward another?, and it evolved into a blog post. Head over to my blog to read it
Thanks, dvprivate! I commented.
Very fun. =)
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